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Part of deconstructing these diagnoses are for the purpose of saying you, one don't have to meet diagnostic criteria to struggle from post traumatic stress. That's the difference between pts and PTSD. And this is not our attempt to diagnose anyone or have anyone diagnosed themselves. But really just to understand, in contrast with some of the things that we see on TV that lead us to believe that it's only these very extreme behaviors and symptoms that are pts. Let's be honest, and the fact is that PTS is a physiological medical condition that folks like us are just lucky that it's been mislabeled.
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And so we get to work with it.
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But at the end of the day, it is an injury to the brain to the body to the nervous system, and it has an interest nature and it can be healed and repaired. It's the first responder, the first to get the call. The first on scene greeted by God knows what pushed beyond the limits that they don't even set, then what happens you're listening to After the Tones Drop. We're your hosts. I'm Cinnamon, a first responder trauma therapist who founded our practice after seeing the need for specialized care following a local line of duty death.
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And I'm Erin. I'm a first responder integration coach.
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So we thought it would be important, or it was important to create a little educational psycho educational miniseries, to walk you through what I hate to say different diagnoses would look like because that's so pathological.
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But it really is all diagnoses are is a collection of symptoms.
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And I think understanding the symptoms of some of the more common mental health struggles that our first responders face makes for important work.
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Well, yeah, and that in the term PTSD, it's thrown around all the time. And half the time people don't even know what the heck that means.
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And we look at like media, I think like Jake Gyllenhaal is the poster boy for PTSD
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Yeah, and he's going to have to get on the show, man.
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We were waiting to get him in. But you know, like his, his movie brothers were Tobey Maguire is his brother that comes back and is struggling with PTSD. Or even the more recent movie, the guilty, the guilty. Yeah, there he is a law enforcement officer that has, you know, been demoted or penalized for some kind of episode at work, and is now in the dispatch room. Yeah. Which shout out to our dispatchers like, I certainly don't think that is a form of punishment.
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Here Job is hard and important.
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And we absolutely consider you first responders. But yeah, I think we see everything in the in the media. And we see the most extreme forms, right, like someone being a little more irritable or having trouble sleeping is, you know, not great Hollywood theater content. So they take those far end of the spectrum symptoms, and that's what we see. And I think, I mean, I've heard as recently as this week, well, I thought really, PTSD was only for like military folks. And I'm like, ironically, military folks will say, Well, yeah, but we get in there and we get out. And first responders like firefighters and police, they have to do it day in and day out for an entire career. So To me, what it sounds like is
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depriving them off on their own each other not me like
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not me, it can't be me, it makes sense that it's you. But it shouldn't be me, the idea that someone who just goes about their day to day job is struggling with that. I don't think anyone wants to say my problems are that big. And so part of kind of deconstructing these diagnoses are for the purpose of saying, You, one don't have to meet diagnostic criteria to struggle from post traumatic stress. That's the difference between pts and PTSD.
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And there's a big debate that's been going on for years. And I'm sure it's still going on the difference between post traumatic stress disorder and post traumatic stress injuries.
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And what it comes down to my personal belief, is I'm gonna try to say this in a very polite way, get over your damn selves, that was real polite, that was as polite as I could get with this, like, we are squabbling about the irrelevant word and one letter and making it into this big thing. While we are still having people die. While we are still having people struggle, still having people suffer still having people lose relationships with their children getting divorces. And like, maybe that's where folks want to put their energy. But I'm more interested in ending the things that keep people out of treatment. And I'm sure that there are some folks that say, labeling it a disorder versus an injury is different. But unfortunately, Pts falls into the DSM, which is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, we're on our fifth edition. Actually, who knows, we might be on like the fifth point five edition. At this point, it's been a minute since I've had to buy a new one.
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But if we're going to debate that issue than let's be honest, and the fact is that PTS is a physiological medical condition that folks like us are just lucky that it's been mislabeled.
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And so we get to work with it.
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But at the end of the day, it is an injury to the brain to the body to the nervous system. And it has an interest nature, and it can be healed and repaired in the same way. Well, not I mean, I don't wait, you're going to physical therapy and working on your rotator cuff thinking you're gonna get rid of PTS symptoms, but it's still you know, an injury. But let's just move past the debate of that love what
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we're calling it the Yeah, I or the debate? Yeah, I'll tell you listener, she is fired up right now, the energy completely shifted when she started talking about this particular topic. So you can tell that she's very passionate about it. And I know, you probably hear education, you're like, why don't want why?
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Well, we're gonna do our best to make sure that it makes sense to you, and that it's information that you can actually use in life and have a better understanding.
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Yeah, and this is it not our attempt to diagnose anyone or have anyone diagnose themselves, but really just to understand, in contrast with some of the things that we see on TV, that lead us to believe or in movies, however, that lead us to believe that it's only these very extreme behaviors and symptoms that are pts. And the reality is what is traumatic for one person isn't traumatic for everyone. So if Aaron and I get into a car accident, which I swear to God, errand things we're gonna do every time the worst. I am not a bad driver.
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She's a crazy driver. Okay, so I lived in Chicago and DC and Boston and learned how to drive there. And then I brought those big city habits back to the suburbs. And yes, I struggle a bit, asking my best friend, my husband, my mother. But if here's the point, if Aaron and I were in a car accident together, I could walk away and be fine, and not think anything about it, except Oh, there's another accident on my record. Whereas Aaron, it could have been traumatic for her where it may be she doesn't want to ever be a passenger again. She won't drive on the highways again, she'll only take back roads. She has panic attacks when she gets into a car, like it can show up all different kinds of ways. But here I am over you know, on the driver side, just like due to due to do yet another fender bender. So, why I say that is just because it's traumatic for one person doesn't mean it's traumatic for another. And just because it isn't traumatic for you, doesn't mean that it can't be traumatic for someone else.
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Because what it comes down to, it's not about the event, right?
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We love to have these like, here's a list of possible traumatic events. And we talk about it as if it is an exclusive and exhaustive list.
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And really, what it comes down to is all trauma is, is an overwhelm to the brain to the body to the nervous system that exceeds our typical coping skills, so that we know how to handle something. So that's why we see so much from childhood coming up, I can't wait to talk to you about childhood drama.
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But it's because you think about little kids and their coping skills, they're going to be more easily overwhelmed, right. And we also see adults that have traumatic childhoods have less of an ability to kind of bounce back. Again, we'll talk about that episode that I cannot wait for. So Aaron, with that being said, Will you read us our criterion
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Well, alright, so criterion A, is exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence in one or more of the following ways. The first way, we'll just say, number one, directly experiencing the traumatic events. Number two, is witnessing in person the events as it occurred to others. Number three, is learning that the traumatic event or events occurred to a close family member, or close friend, in cases of actual or threatened death of a family member or friend, the events must have been violent or accidental. And number four is experiencing repeated or extreme exposure to details of the traumatic events.
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So for the sake of getting into more dialogue about this, I will, again, go ahead and repeat what criterion A is, which is exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury or sexual violence in one or more of the following ways, which I just listed off. And we'll get into that a little bit more. So you understand.
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So the way that post traumatic stress disorder, diagnostic criteria is broken down, is you'll hear us go through over the course of the next few episodes, each one of those criterion. So we've got criterion, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I. And we are required to have at least one or two in each of the category. So with that being said, a diagnosis isn't always necessary. Because I may not be able like in a category that may say to required, let's say, I have everything else that I need, except for in a category that requires two, I only have one. Okay, well, I'm not necessarily going to say, Well, I'm not going to treat you for PTSD, because you don't have it, I'm going to say, Wow, you have a lot of post traumatic stress symptoms. So let's focus on the ones that you do have, right, like, if someone's not having a nightmares, I don't care that it's in the criteria, I'm not going to treat it just because I'm treating them for post traumatic stress. So the thing about diagnosing, and I want to, I feel like I've wanted to say this to every single client that I've ever seen, is that now's your chance. Thank you for listening. So the DSM, when I think it was the third edition that came out, like in the 80s, it was the first time Post Traumatic Stress Disorder had been included in our diagnostic and statistical manual. So prior to that, we've had a lot of different names for it, you know, combat fatigue, soldier's heart, shell shock, whatever.
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But this was the first time that we named it labeled it and put a collection of symptoms together.
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One of the things that you'll see in the week, three of the Month series around the diagnostics of all of this is that it looks like every old white guy from that was gray haired from the American Association of our American Psychological Association took every single symptom that they've ever seen anyone have write each symptom on a slip of paper and throw it in the middle of the table. And so then they started saying, Okay, well, I've seen patients with these, and they pull those little slips off the paper and And they put them in a pile and they give that pile a label. And then they throw all the slips of paper back in the middle of the table and say, Okay, now let's come up with another diagnosis. And they grab pieces of paper. And so what we ended up with with is like a Venn diagram, where so many of our symptoms overlap, boom, boom, overlap. So that's why it's, it can be challenging, where we have a lot of folks who think they have ADHD, and maybe they do. But we also know that some of the symptoms of ADHD, which I think is a misnomer, it should be an attention regulation, and executive function, opinions, function disorders
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she's gonna write her own books.
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You know that ADHD overlaps with PTS, anxiety overlaps with PTSD, depression overlaps with PTSD. So when they wrote this up in, you know, the ad is in the third edition of the DSM, it says, In the very beginning of the book, do not use for forensic or insurance purposes. And so what do our insurance companies require
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a diagnosis code diagnosis.
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So somehow, between the 80s, and a while I don't even know when we started, like having to put in a diagnostic code for clients. We've lost that ability to be able to say, hey, why don't you come here, we will talk confidentially and privately about your problems.
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And we don't have to worry about labeling. But when you use your insurance, guess what we get to worry about is labeling. And yeah, and a lot of times that comes into play for disability for FMLA, all of that good stuff. So
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I say all that to say this, I say all that
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to say. So, exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury, or sexual violence and one more or one or more of the following ways, so directly experiencing the traumatic events. So that is, it happened to you? Right, we'll get into it happening to other people. But in this particular one, this is directly experiencing traumatic events.
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So Aaron, here's a good time to ask me. So cinnamon, what would be an example of directly experiencing a traumatic event?
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So
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cinnamon, what would be an example of directly experiencing the traumatic event I got here, so good. I know.
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So that very first piece the exposure to actual or threatened death, this, I feel like comes up a lot. And there's a lot of misinformation or a lack of education around this.
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So if I am being shot at over the course of my work, if I am shooting at someone, it doesn't matter if I don't hit or if I don't get hit, I am still directly experiencing exposure to actual or threatened death.
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Yeah, let your people have the next day off. Yeah. They need time to regulate their nervous system to rest. We like to say, eat, sleep, shit and shower.
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That's all you got to do after a critical incident. You know, maybe you didn't get hit with that bullet. But that doesn't like in the middle of the heat of it. I don't know. That's how it's going to end. So my nervous system is off the charts.
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Thinking I could die I could die I could die. Or I could kill someone I could kill someone. I could kill someone. Sure. So regardless of how it ends, if there's a an interplay with gunfire, take the next day off.
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And if your department isn't a department that just offers that call in use your sick time, you are unwell, you need time to re regulate your nervous system
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it is appropriate, it is completely reasonable to ask for the next day off.
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if there's a, an interplay with gunfire, take the next day off. And if your department isn't a department that just offers that call in use your sick time, you are unwell, you need time to re regulate your nervous system,
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it is appropriate, it is completely reasonable to ask for the next day off. Yeah. So let me ask you, you know, number one is directly experiencing the traumatic event, then how is that different from witnessing in person the events that occurred to others because you said something about if you're getting shot at or you're actually the one that's doing the shooting, but you don't get hit? I mean, do those to kind of fold into each other?
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I mean, they can, especially when there's a lot of people on scene. Right? So that was kind of an example with law enforcement. So let's say that I I'm doing CPR on someone. And they don't make it. Yeah, it wasn't, it didn't happen to me.
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But I absolutely witnessed it.
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It may look like I see someone else get injured, or I see someone else get shot at all of the ways that both we can see co workers, as well, as we can see civilians have, you know, actual or threatened death, serious injury or sexual violence. I mean, our first responders are responding to anything and everything. And they're, they're seeing it. So when you are on that call, it is your eyeballs.
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And we also can use the idea that, let's say we're just sitting on our front porch, and our old grandma rocking chairs, and there's a car accident right in front of our house. We didn't participate. It didn't happen to us, but we saw it, but we saw it and we're going to see things and our first responders sees things that most of us can't imagine in our head. No, like if you tell me Oh, yeah. I responded to a scene where an individual was almost decapitated. Okay, that mean I don't even,
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you know, yeah, we don't know how to comprehend that.
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Yeah, see that cartoonish, you know, like, whatever. But when you do this job, you sure shit know what it looks like? Yeah, for someone to be nearly decapitated. And those are those images that don't go away and sometimes are seared like to visual perfection.
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What if they showed me a picture of that of what they actually saw? Could that be another example of me experiencing some kind of PTS just from seeing that hearing the story than seeing the visual? Is that possible?
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Actually, I am so glad you brought that. Okay. Because the answer to that is no. Okay, well, good. I
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mean, thank God. But I was just curious about that.
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Well, and here's why.
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Because, well, let's just skip down to number four, which you had listed as experiencing repeated or extreme exposure to details of a traumatic event. So let's say your classic detective who is handling a murder case.
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And they have to continuously look over the photos of the crime scene bodies, wounds, autopsy results, whatever. So that actually would apply to first responders. And that is that repeated and extreme exposure to the details over the course of the job. So it may look like I'm looking at children victims, looking at you know, murder victims, car accidents, wreckage, whatever, it does not apply to lay people who, and let me be very clear, this is the first part or the part that we need to pay attention to. It doesn't apply to exposure that we experienced through electronic media, social media, TV, movies or pictures, unless the exposure is work related. So I am the detective.
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And I'm, you know, looking at this stuff day in and day out and not just one case, but in an entire career of cases than yes, we're going to anticipate that that is going to cause some PTS, yeah. But if I, in the course of my job, sneak a photo home, which I would never do, and say, Ooh, Aaron, look at this. Like, technically, that is not, it may screw you up, it may. But it's not going to be a qualifying criteria and a for,
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for PTSD. And this goes back to and I think we were talking about this a different time, or just on our own personal time about 911. The idea of we as Americans, so constant news real, like videos, pictures over and over and over again, crashing of the planes crashing, right.
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And that could cause a lot of post traumatic symptoms, in not criterion A, but B, C, or D. But it doesn't meet the criteria. So of that first one, so I can't watch it repeatedly.
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And then that count as one of those that meets that criteria.
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Interesting. Yeah. And so we do know, we do know that after 911, a lot of civilians were exposed to that for weeks on end of just that loop, that replay of the plans crashing. And it did a number on us as a culture as a country as a, you know, an American community, but doesn't meet the criteria for this. And also, let's keep in mind, this is the same. This, this diagnosis has only been in there since the 80s. And it's evolved with each new addition of our diagnostic manual. And maybe one day, we'll be able to, it'll be included in a different way. But usually, there's a reason why that specificity is mid made.
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And maybe we will circle around to that. And one of the other episodes in the series.
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Oh, I'm sure we will never shortage of things to talk about. So what about three, the learning that a traumatic event occurred to a close family member or close friend, in cases of actual or threatened death of a family member or friend, the events must have been violent or accidental. So if I am in the hospice center with my grandmother, and she passes away, for example, that is different than if my grandmother unfortunately, or or my child got hit by a car or something right in front of me. So that is the difference in those two, is that correct?
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So there's two big things in this one, it has to be a close family member, or a close friend. So maybe somebody that I knew in college, I find out through social media that they've passed, it's going to do something different to me, perhaps then if something happens to you, I'd be really sad in both cases, but I'd be traumatized if it was you. So it has to be someone close to you and proximity. I like to use the movie ratings as a way to create rings of friendship and acquaintanceship. So the graded G friends are going to be like those, those ones that I met in college and haven't talked to in 20 or so years. And then my like, rated X friends are the ones that are closest and have the most access to the details of my life, right where the rated G friends are going to be more like hey, how are you? I see you in the grocery store.
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Good to see you when we keep moving with our carts, that kind of thing. That second thing that's kind of interesting. I
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have so many visuals right now. I'm like, I don't even know where to go.
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I my metaphors sometimes, you know,
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but they stick.
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Right like glue like glue. Oh, see, there was like another one. Yep, I'm on a roll.
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So the next part is that the event must have been violent or accidental, which is what you were talking about with the hospice. So it isn't, you know, my aging grandmother passes away. That's most likely not violent or accidental. Still awful, still awful. None of this eliminates and is even measuring the awfulness of it. We're just talking about the psychological impact of it. And then we're getting into like more of like bereavement issues on that side of that. And then we already covered that number four. So will you read them again, and then we'll kind of just dip a little bit more into number four.
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Okay, number one directly experiencing the traumatic event. Number two witnessing in person, the event or events as it occurred to others. Number three, learning that the traumatic event or events occurred to a close family member or close friend. In cases of actual threatened death of a family member or friend, the events must have been violent or accidental. And number four, experiencing repeated or extreme exposure to detail of the traumatic event.
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When it comes to number four, this is, this is almost like a gimme, when it comes to the first responder population. I don't know first responders that have been on the job. Hell, sometimes not even 30 days before they've witnessed some kind of extreme exposure to traumatic events. And again, traumatic events is just trauma is divined by an overwhelm to the body and brain and a need that exceeds your existing coping skills. Yeah. So and it's that repeated and extreme exposure. So let's say you're a firefighter paramedic, and you're going on runs every third day. If, if that's your schedule, and even if it's just, you know, somebody's in respiratory distress, like after a while, that starts to wear, because it's actual or threatened death. If someone is in respiratory distress, and may need CPR or something like that.
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Like, it's a possibility that they could die. And we don't know the outcomes in the moment.
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So it could go one way or the other. And seeing that over and over and over and over and over.
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Over the course of your career.
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We see a lot of people who are like, Oh, that's old hat. That's not even a big deal. And I'm like, that's probably not what you thought on the first day, the first time you saw that, you know, and I have to remind a lot of our people like, my nervous system and your nervous system are the same, like you are not constitutionally built differently, physiologically built differently, where like, there's, like a little first responder lever that makes it different. So are you sure? Not that I found, but again, I have not done any autopsies on verser. Okay,
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let us know, listeners if you have done those and found something.
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Yeah, I've also never found a single button on anyone.
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So I love to say that when people are like they pushed my buttons, so they didn't you don't have buttons.
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You push your buttons or a
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real boy, you don't you don't have buttons. So that is the short and the sweet of it. I mean, there are so many moving parts to post traumatic stress. And I will say this one thing as we wrap up this first educational
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episode, and I will check it out as I call it something different education related
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like me, nobody likes education, screw education.
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How about brain empowerment?
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Whoo, that is a stretch and really cheesy. And I think they'd rather have us just say education. But we'll work on it. We'll work on it listeners, we will come back with some superstars retirement. knowing is half the battle. Oh shit, I hope like we don't get like a cease and desist letter from GI Joe. Is that GI Joe?
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I don't know, girl.
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We are old and forgetful. So what I was going to say when I started that sentence was there are over 600,000. So that's 600 comma 000 600,000 unique ways to have PTSD. That's it. But that only 600,000 Oh my gosh. So I can line up 600,000 people. And each one of them could have PTSD. And they would have a unique combination of symptoms. That's why I say we don't treat PTSD.
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We treat the post traumatic stress symptoms that they're experiencing. We're not going to treat things that they don't have. And we're also not going to ignore things they do because we're busy treating things that they don't have. If you hear that we left Ben in the room.
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Ben is cinnamons
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dog. Oh, I guess I'll never leave home without your band.
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No. And he actually sits in therapy sessions so many of our listeners will know Ben and perhaps we'll even record Is his snorts and his snoring if he falls asleep in here, but he is a stage five clinger and we've tried to kick them out of the room several times, but he is persist. And so we've got 600,000, people lined out, having uniquely met diagnostic criteria for PTSD. And they all have it. Now, when you think about that, take out one of those things. There are an infinite number of ways to not have PTSD, but have pts. So as we go through this criteria, and in this particular series, you're going to hear things that you're like, Oh, well, I've had that. I've done trainings where I've, you know, I've gotten ready to leave at the end. And they're like, No, when I came in, they're like, we're all fine. And then when I've left, they're like, Oh, my God, we all have it. And I'm like, Okay, no, you don't. Right. Great. Let's back up. Let's that's not that's we're not here to do that. But the reality is, I've learned is when we break this down, and we talk about what it actually looks like, and not what lovely, gorgeous Jake Gyllenhaal convinces us that looks like then it starts to get a little more real as a
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great job. I had to turn off that that movie, which when the guilty guilty, I turned it off. Yeah. I mean, I was experiencing all kinds of things. I just couldn't watch him be. Yeah, and that level of pain.
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I did want to, I did want a couple times, like when I correct him. And I also wanted to, like, schedule an appointment with him. But oddly enough, when I tried to call his manager, they didn't return my call. So, you know, fiction.
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They're like, ma'am,
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whose plan apart is playing a category up? Anyway?
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Yes. So as we go through this and break it down, and and you can see specifically okay, this, these are the pieces and parts of this, rather than just thinking, Oh, this is what PTSD is. And it's dramatic, and it's severe, and I couldn't possibly have it. We want to get you close and intimate with the pieces in part. So when you do recognize yourself, it won't be a surprise.
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And also, it's okay. Yeah, it's completely reasonable that any number of these things would occur and that type of job that that these people have, and there's solutions, and there's treatment, there is treatment, there's coping
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skills, and you don't even have to, you know, I always say, go talk to a therapist, go talk to a trusted friend. But I also know that there's a million ways that you can privately in your own home with your computer or phone, find resources that can be helpful and supportive without, you know, necessarily making a call and not that I don't want to discourage anybody from making a call. But I want to encourage the people who aren't quite there yet, that there are resources out there.
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And that it, you don't have to live like this. Now, if you're suffering and struggling, you don't have to live like that there's a different way. You have the power
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of choice at this point, it's getting to be that broad that the power of choice is coming.
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Yeah, I think before, there weren't as many options.
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Hell, at some point, there probably weren't any options.
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And this is the direct result of the hard work of all of the first responders. And those who are doing advocacy work around first responder mental health, that they have changed the conversation. They've changed the trajectory. They have, you know, reduced that stigma to the point where we need more inpatient facilities, we need more outpatient programs, we need more intensive outpatient offerings. And we're finding that this, in turn is giving us more culturally competent first responder clinicians. Yeah. And that, to me, is, like absolutely essential in this we can only tell them to go ask for help, if we also are providing them with helpers. That's right. And that, that is what part of this is also about is we want to encourage clinicians who may never have considered working with first responders as a niche or as a specialty population.
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And I for one can tell you, I've been a therapist for a while.
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I've been a trauma therapist for a while. And I have never had so much fun in my life at work to the point where
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it doesn't feel like work.
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I know. I feel your sister, it's hard to believe. I know my life.
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So like I get paid for this.
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Yeah, I know.
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I mean, you just get this gift and I truly believe it is a sacred opportunity to be trusted enough to do this. And I've had people out asked me well, why did you pick first responders? And what's my answer, Aaron? I didn't pick them their PPE. I did not pick them. They picked me. You don't get to do this job if they don't pick you back. So yeah, I didn't pick this.
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I picked it after they said, Yeah, you're in an amen for that sister hallelujah. So glad you do. So it was a pretty good choice. But thanks for joining us today. Make sure you hop on our next episode and check out our very first hotline caller for the confidential voicemail that we have get to hear something from one of your peers that has a question, can
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I ask a quick question about the hotline?
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Yes, you can? Do I need to dial a
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number on my phone to get a hold of your hotline?
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Do you know why you don't because technology. So if you are interested in checking out our hotline, leaving a message asking a question sharing a struggle sharing his success even all you have to do is go to after the tone strop.com. And on the right side of your screen phone or computer, you will see a little tab. The tab says ATT D hotline voicemail and you click that and you can leave a message right there.
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And if I screw up while I'm leaving the voicemail, what happened?
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Well, you can delete it.
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Yeah, you can just say nope, try again. Drago, if you need to add an extra few get cut off go for it.
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Yeah, I think it records up to two minutes. So go ahead and save that submit it and then hit the button again and finish. We are not setting that two minute minimum. That just comes with how it's designed. So we don't want you to think that we don't want to hear your three minute call aka question
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aka success story,
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aka struggle. We're so on top of it. Okay.
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Thank you for joining us for today's episode of After the Tones Drop. Today's show has been brought to you by whole house counseling. As a note, after the tones drop is for informational purposes only and does not constitute for medical or psychological advice. It is not a substitute for professional healthcare advice, diagnosis or treatment. Please contact a local mental health professional in your area if you're in need of any assistance. You can also visit after the tone strop.com and click on our resources tab for an abundance of helpful information. And we would like to give a very special thank you and shout out to Venz Adams, Yeti and Sonda for our shows music
