High Velocity Healing: How Accelerated Resolution Therapy puts the Pedal to the Mental Metal

EP69: High Velocity Healing

Erin: [00:00:00] All right,

Cinnamon: Here we go.

Erin: here we go. Here to talk about some voodoo on You, boo.

Cinnamon: Oh, I like that. Voodoo. Voodoo for you, Boo. I think about the way that,when I read like historical fiction books and they talk about medicine, it does, it sounds like voodoo or,witchcraft or something crazy. Just like,some things that are common practice now, but we didn't have a full understanding back the and eventually this will be a common practice too. Yeah, This is regular and we can explain it to some extent. Like if you take ibuprofen it can make a headache go away kind of thing.

Erin: right, what is this voodoo that we speak of? 

Cinnamon: Accelerated resolution therapy,

Erin: accelerated resolution therapy, 

Cinnamon: talk about a name that really explains what it is. It's an accelerated way to resolve [00:01:00] trauma It's a therapeutic intervention that is a rapid, effective way of dealing with a traumatic event or the accumulation of traumatic events that doesn't require some of the hardships that we see with other trauma interventions.

Erin: yeah,

Cinnamon: much more simplistic and I think our clients don't struggle as much to work through and move past their trauma in the way that maybe some other interventions require.

Erin: yeah, and a big part of this, and this is what I explain to folks when I'm talking about it is I call it the sister to EMDR.many folks are familiar with what EMDR is. It's used a lot in our culture, and people that have participated in therapy before, there's many clinicians that actually do use EMDR as an intervention.

And what sets EMDR apart from the rest of the interventions is that it's a bilateral stimulation therapy. 

Cinnamon: it's actually [00:02:00] really interesting that you are talking about EMDR and the way that you phrase it as a sister. I use the phrase EMDR is like the Model T Ford and ART is the flying Tesla. Like, there always has to be the first that puts it out there. And then we have the folks that then fine tune it.

And the creator of ART actually was getting trained in EMDR and was repeatedly told she wasn't doing it right. And she was getting great outcomes with her client.

So she's like, screw it. if you don't let me call this EMDR because I'm not following the steps, then we're gonna name it something different and make it a thing. So yes, EMDR is like the founding father of bilateral stimulation therapy, whereas a RT is the reason why you don't get the iPhone.

When it first comes out, you wait till the glitches are worked out, right? Isn't that how that works? Like, don't be the [00:03:00] first one to get the new one because they're going to find the glitches and they'll fix them.

Erin: Oh, yeah. 

Cinnamon: ART was developed in 2008 by Lainey Rosenfeig, evidence based, it's research based.

It was studied,under the university of South Florida, all of the things that are required, What makes it so different is that one, it integrates silence therapy, where it doesn't require talking and especially with our population where they don't like to share if they think they're going to get emotional,or, we know there's a part of the brain that when it's.

under duress, it doesn't allow language to formulate properly. So it allows you to resolve the trauma without all of the requirements that some of the other interventions require.

Erin: which is talking and trying to articulate, 

Cinnamon: how I'm feeling, 

Erin: Exactly. Well, that's what's so cool about it because of the bilateral stimulation [00:04:00] therapy. when we say that, what that means is we're activating the left brain and the right brain. at different times, like in a rhythm.

Okay? And so because we're doing it like that, essentially, we're telling the brain how we want it to operate, what we want it to do through,either eye movements, there's tapping, there's sounds, there's different ways that can be done. But what we learned and seen is that often people will be like, I don't even know what the thing is.

I can't see it. And because we're telling the brain essentially, what to do, the brain will evoke the concern, the trauma, the issue, whatever that is on its own. And so that's, what's so powerful about it.

Cinnamon: Yeah,it's almost like when there's trauma,the area of the brain that manages memories, our hippocampus gets dysregulated and it becomes underactive and it's not doing its job. And our hippocampus is part of our brain that's at work. at night while we're sleeping. [00:05:00] And if you've ever watched anyone sleep during REM sleep, which is rapid eye movement, you can see their eyeballs underneath their lids going back and forth That sounds very bizarre. It's not like I'm walking up to people while they're sleeping and

Erin: don't listen to her. She does to that...

Cinnamon: I do. Erin's actually woke up and I'm standing over her bed like with a flashlight watching her eyeballs move. I'm like, just a little research. No, so we know that REM sleep is when our brains are processing,the day's worth of memories.

When we think about The hippocampus being underactive. We think it's like not doing enough, right? But how that shows up is it feels like it's doing too much. So it's causing nightmares. It's causing intrusive images and thoughts and it's creating flashbacks, all these things where these images are coming back without our consent or invitation.

Erin: Mhm. [00:06:00] 

Cinnamon: when the trauma is so severe that our REM sleep can't do a sufficient job at processing our daily memories, I always think of like, you dump a big, box of photos onto the bed. And it's just a messy pile. And our hippocampus is responsible for organizing those into photo albums. So we can easily flip the pages and they're organized in a way that it's, chronological or each event has all the photos together.

And that's what hippocampus does. our hippocampus is responsible for on a day to day basis or night to night basis. when our hippocampus is underactive, it's not doing its job and those pictures are just staying in that messy pile. because they haven't found the right place to go in our brains, they're just sitting there and churning up and around and into the forefront of our mind. As we are figuring out how do we resolve this trauma, doesn't it make sense that we would duplicate REM sleep and then [00:07:00] manipulate the shit out of it to get it to do what we want it to do that it's not doing while we're sleeping. We create that version of REM using bilateral stimulation therapy.

And we've also figured out that it does not just require eye movements because we work with a lot of first responders. primary, whether it be military firefighter, police officer, whatever, there's a good chance that there's going to be,a concussion history. And so for some folks, eye movements don't work.

So we have other options other than moving our eyes. instead of it just happening overnight while you're asleep and you don't have a say in it, we give instructions as the clinician. you follow the instructions as the client and it's based on what we want to do with those traumatic memories.

Because you're awake, we can actually do that manipulation and it allows us to [00:08:00] recognize The old image of the trauma is no more or less significant in the brain than if we were to replace that image with a new one of our own creation. Because all the brain knows is they are two images if we can pull one out put one in and that's the really cool thing about ART that kind of sets it apart even from EMDR. is the image replacement. And we've watched people do the re scripting of the traumatic event and literally all their physical sensations of stress and the trauma are resolved. They are able to go through the intervention and erase. distressing images that have been stuck in their head, like these snapshots that just stick there.

Then when they're done, they're like, I can't focus on it. Like I can't pull it up. And I compare it to if you rub your eyes and you get those floaties, And then you try to close your eyes and watch the floaty, like [00:09:00] it's constantly moving on you, right? So you can't ever land on the floaty because it's not actually something legit to look at.

That's what happens with these images. When you try to pull them up again, it's like you're trying to chase it and you cannot focus in on it. There are people who have images that are part of their traumatic event that they don't want to get rid of. Whether it's,the last image of something, and I think on a case basis, it depends.

 if it's a fallen brother,That you feel like if you erase that image, it's disrespecting their memory and that you need to carry it as your survival guilt punishment. we're going to talk through that. Whereas if it's last image that you have of. a family member that's close to you that you aren't quite ready to let go of.

 that's a little bit different. So I think it's always on a case to case basis what we want to get [00:10:00] rid of and what now may not be the time if ever, if it's appropriate,

Erin: Yeah. And I think something that you just mentioned that I want to,elaborate on a little bit is one of the things that keeps trauma alive is the symptoms that correlate with the memories. we have the traumatic event that we experience where we're having the intrusive thoughts or the nightmares or whatnot.

And then in conjunction with that, we begin to have the visceral responses in our body. Like everything from the nightmares, the way that our heart goes freaking a million miles a minute. the extreme anxiety, the panic attacks, the depression, all of that. So something I do like to tell folks is it's not like men in black.

If you've watched a men in black, they have the little flashy thingy and it like actually zaps your memory completely. you still remember. the situation, but you can, no longer have that image in the same fashion. Like you'll know it's there. logically, you are [00:11:00] clear on the event, but your brain can no longer pull up that file in the file cabinet or in your Rolodex.

Huh? Do you know what a Rolodex is? I'm kidding. 

Cinnamon: I do, but many of our clients do not. 

Erin: I know you do but your brain can no longer pull up that file, to attach, So that those symptoms are a result of the traumatic event, 

Cinnamon: So the way Lainey describes it. is you keep the facts, but we take the pain. you are not confused. This is not hypnosis. You're not going to be scratching your head, wondering if something happened. if we were to separate out your brain as the operational device and your mind as the conscious thinking part, we are working over your brain while your mind.

stays on point, we're just scrambling it a little bit, but you are fully aware that [00:12:00] scrambling is taking place. So what happens is when something comes up that triggers that reminder, you are typically running into this image and then you're spiraling out, So now this image that you're running into, we are taking that out and putting a new image in.

And so when it stops here, there is no downward spiral. There is no physiological response, whether it be the rapid breathing, getting dizzy, getting pressure in your chest is one that people describe a lot. feeling tension in their neck and shoulders,feeling nauseous. I have a lot of people report tingling sensations and I call that like little green army men in your veins that are like stomping through there.

That's what creates that sensation that I conjure up when I think of anxiety, like the physiological part of it, whereas worry, I [00:13:00] can worry from my neck up and it doesn't do anything to my body. But when we're dealing with the anxiety, that is a full body experience and it can be very uncomfortable.

So part of what we do when we do this, isn't just about reprocessing. and desensitizing yourself to the actual event, but then it is rescripting and doing image replacement where you're not going to see the same things that you historically saw. And all while we're doing that throughout there, we're asking you what sensations are happening in your body because that's where the trauma is living in your body.

Okay. We don't use trauma as a noun in terms of the event. When we talk about a traumatic event, trauma is the adjective. An event is the noun. The trauma is what's left in your body. if we did all of this with the imagery,that would only be half the job. The other part [00:14:00] is those sensations that we get in our body that come up when we're reminded of that event is part of what, alerts our brain to there being a threat.

And our, body is going to, when it runs into things that look like, taste like, smell like,feel like? 

Erin: Sound like? 

Cinnamon: sound like the trauma our body is going to go into that alert and it's going to be like not again We're not doing that again. And so all those things start Activating to protect you from that threat, right?

We are self protective survival oriented machines so to be able to acknowledge what those sensations are as they're coming up as you're Revisiting the event Not with words, but just in your mind's eye. we're able to identify that, get your insular cortex back online, because part of what the insular cortex does is helps us understand where we are in [00:15:00] time and space, both internally, what's happening in our body, as well as how to not hit the next person during dance class.

And When I'm having somebody breathe after every, 40 second increment. I'm having them take a deep breath because automatically that's resetting their respiratory system. I'm having them scan their body and tell me what sensations they're feeling because it's bringing that insular cortex back online. After every little increment, we're re-aligning your brain back to a healthy state of homeostasis, where it's just rest and digest. when you're feeling those sensations, again, your body and brain are going to believe what we tell it to be true. One of my favorite visualizations when people tell me that they 

Erin: Mm 

Cinnamon: this, sense of tightness or heaviness on their chest, and I'll ask them, does it feel like somebody is grabbing your shirt and twisting it?

Like you're about to get into a fist fight or does it feel like there's an [00:16:00] elephant stepping on your chest? And when they say an elephant stepping on their chest, my favorite thing is I want you to imagine that you're laying on your back. And you look up and you can see that elephant's foot on your chest and you watch it, lift it,

And then it swings its foot over and puts it on the ground. It turns around. And whenever I watch that elephant walk away, I can see its tail with a little pink bow swinging. Like that's my image. our bodies. will believe that there is no reason to feel that heaviness anymore because we just saw the elephant take his foot up off our chest and now we're like, Oh, I can breathe.

So of course it is a little alarming. Of course it feels weird to people. Because these are not capabilities that we've ever acknowledged that our brain even had. But we are finding over and over again that it is giving people so much relief. And you and [00:17:00] I, because the training is experiential, and Because we're all up in each other's business on the regular anyway, we have done it on each other I always think of that, whatever company that were the hair loss I'm not only the president, I'm a member. 

Erin: Is it, Rogaine?

Cinnamon: No, I don't think so. 

Erin: Hair club for men.

Cinnamon: Yes, that's it. That's what I feel like with this. I'm not just giving a testimony as a clinician that uses it and sees over and over just a phenomenal amount of healing that can be done in a 60 minute session.

And we can visibly see. People's faces change in one hour from when they come in looking dark and gaunt and, turned inward to this light coming back on and different type of energy within them. And it's really profound. It does feel very magical. And I can have people be upset about [00:18:00] something, like an interaction and when we're done, I'm like, okay, how do you feel about that? They're like, oh my God, it's not even a thing. it's so irrelevant. We've also used it for way more than just trauma recovery.

Erin: phobias, like we were talking about today with our dear friend who is deathly terrified of bugs, that she actually removed herself from her office space because there was a dead bug in there and moved herself into the living room. And my response was, well, we can do ART on that. And she's like, what?

And I said, yeah, we know folks who had terrifying phobias of spiders and heights. All kinds of things. And now they're fine with that. We use it on performance enhancements for folks that are getting ready to go through the promotional process and just need to get past that anxiety that's actually stopping them from being present and fully functioning within that process.

Cinnamon's helped people with their sports [00:19:00] game and being better. Yep. Being better with that. It's pretty incredible that it can be utilized on so many different areas. I've helped people use it that have cravings with alcohol and different types of substances that really can't get past that I don't want to drink, but yet here I am with this craving that's just haunting me over and over and over again.

Mm 

Cinnamon: and that's one of the things that we watch Lainey,Rosenzweig tackle while we're getting trained. We watch a video of her helping someone,who is not comfortable with the amount of alcohol that they're consuming. We've seen her work with someone on their problem drinking. We've seen an animal attack somebody was out of work for a couple of years and did not think she was going to be able to make a comeback. she did ART with the creator and next thing she was back at work and did not have any [00:20:00] hesitancy that one would consider even reasonable given. What she had been through.

Erin: Yeah. So one of the reasons this is really important to us to bring up,We have been talking about bringing up bilateral stimulation therapy of some type, talking about the profound differences that accelerated resolution therapy can make in an individual's life. But even more importantly, we wanted to bring it up today because it is one of the first phases and first steps in our new Copper Warrior program We are in the slow launch now. We are accepting applications for the program, this is 

 12 week intensive, post traumatic growth program. I mean, the wholepoint is, okay, let's deal with this trauma up front, bing, bang, boom, so that we can actually get to the new ways of living and the tools and the accountability, the responsibility, and really understanding what makes us tick and what gets in our way outside of the story of why I've had that [00:21:00] traumatic event.

Cinnamon: I would definitely say that that is one of the biggest challenges that we see our clients have. They're so focused on the therapy part and they're so focused on resolving the trauma. And then they feel better. Like they go from a one, two to a three, four. And they're like, I feel better. I'm good.

And I'm like, yeah, but there's five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. so a lot of times because there's chronic exposure, they end up coming back around because they haven't done the things and put the things in place that are going to build up that resiliency so they don't get into that pickle again.

And so this, coaching program. I call it like emotional bootcamp because we're handling the trauma upfront if it already has not been handled. and then this is about those lifestyle changes that we have to ingrain into our day to day, like not just behaviors, [00:22:00] but those new way of thinking that allows us to feel differently and not just resolve a problem and leave everything else the same and then run into a new problem and have to come back. 

Erin: yeah, the tools are all encompassing. Once you have them and practice them, you're able to utilize them in any aspect. It doesn't mean it'd always be easy. And sometimes we want to pretend like we don't have the tools. However, they're there and they are ingrained in your life. that was another reason why we wanted to kind of explain what it was because Cinnamon and I spend a lot of time telling people about this intervention and we thought, well, hey, wouldn't it be nice just to have something that we can say, hey, you're going to do accelerated resolution therapy next session.

Go watch this video so you can understand what this thing actually is. people have called it all kinds of things, except. that it doesn't work. I have had people that are, [00:23:00] more stubborn. They won't allow themselves to get out of their own way. I was one of those people.

 I was so afraid that I was going to do it wrong or it wasn't going to work for me that I actually got in my own way. And that's the trick. If you are trying to do it right, you're already doing it wrong. your job as the participant in this is to be present and trust. Woo. And that's a hard one. Trust that your brain already knows what to do.

We're just giving it very clear cut directions and that there's nothing for you as the individual who is participating in this to do except follow instructions of the clinician and let your brain do the

Cinnamon: I like to think about it in terms of like, so this past week,I had a pretty major injury with a dog leash cut up my leg and without my consent, without me doing anything, a scab formed.

Erin: What? 

Cinnamon: just started healing on its own. Like it knew [00:24:00] what to do and I didn't have to give it any, instructions.

So that was cool. But if we think about the way that our body is a self repairing machine, if we start breathing too heavy and too fast and too shallow, whatever our bodies, We'll eventually bring it back down, right?

our body knows. Oftentimes the thing that we do is we get in the way. this is what I will tell clients. This isn't about me being in charge. This isn't even about you being in charge. This is about your brain being in charge.

Your brain knows what it needs. And we have evidence that when somebody is like, I don't know where to start. I don't know what thing it is. And I'm like, well, let's find out. And then we do the bilateral stimulation and all of a sudden it is clear as day. Sometimes they will break down crying because it's new information.

 They had no idea that was the thing that they needed to work on. I've had people say, that run didn't even ever crossed [00:25:00] my mind as part of the problem, and I haven't thought of that in years, but you asked me the next thing to work on, and we did it, and immediately my brain gave me that answer.

so this is where we trust that your body knows how to repair itself. there is no doing it wrong. All you have to do is follow the instructions. That's your only job. you would have to actively be working against yourself. So if I tell you I want you to think about something, you instead think about something completely different on purpose and refuse.

To think about what I've asked you to like that would probably be the only way that you can sabotage this Because Erin even the session that we did that you felt like you were getting in your own way

And we, did a little bit for sure, but then we eventually stopped because I think we were like an hour and a half in and you had not gotten through your scene.

You were so [00:26:00] frustrated with yourself that we're like, okay, let's stop. This is not fruitful anymore. Reset, come back later to it. And it was several months later and I asked you about revisiting it. And you were like, Oh, I didn't tell you. It worked. And 

Erin: hmm. 

Cinnamon: what? 

Erin: We didn't even do the whole thing, and it worked!

 Cinnamon: can you explain what happened for you?

Erin: yeah. I mean, really, and I'll be just completely transparent, the thing that we were working on specifically was,around my oldest son, who's 23 years old. I know, I know. How could I possibly have a 23 year old? Well I do. I was a baby when I had my baby, and I had a lot of sadness and guilt around being a young mother, and not knowing how to do it, Doing it all the ways I would have preferred to have not done it. And that guilt really was getting in the way of the relationship that he and I could have. part of my story when we were going into it was I actually can't remember the scenes very well. there isn't an actual scene for me to [00:27:00] place.

But the first thing I did notice when we did that was my brain did show me a scene, which was weird. showed me a place in time, not so much a scene,to operate in. And, I had a real challenging time at feeling this need to like like, felt like with my son, like I just didn't have a place to actually claim to be his mom kind of thing,based on the stories I had brought up.

And so even through that little bit of time without me even having a real clear cut scene, The work that we did do ended up creating this sense of freedom for me that I realized down the road, the next time I talked to my kid and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm not harboring the sense of guilt or like I owe something in the same capacity.

This penance. Yeah. that was when it clicked. I'm like, holy shit, it worked. It had to have worked as a mother, I'm always going to have these fears around. And I think all parents do like, I don't want to fuck my kid up or this is my fault. But with that particular situation, I [00:28:00] was able to get out of the story of I'm a big piece of crap and I don't deserve it, or I can't do it right.

Or nobody likes me. Everybody hates me, whatever, and just be present and be mom, So I think that that was what was special about it.

Cinnamon: Yeah, even when we think it's not working because we have some Idea or belief about what it will be like if it is working it's your brain Fixing itself, whether you feel like it's working or not. 

 one of the things that I've had conversations with other clinicians about is their clients willingness to give this a try because it does sound,very new wave woo woo ish. just simply because the science behind it isn't common everyday household knowledge. What I'm finding is that we actually do not have an issue getting clients to participate [00:29:00] in ART.

And the difference is we do not advertise. All of our incoming clients are coming from word of mouth referrals. Somebody has said, Hey, you're struggling. Go see cinnamon and Erin. Oftentimes attached to that gets they're going to ask you to do some weird ass shit. do it.

anyway, just do it. And so I think when you've got maybe like a typical mental health practice where. Somebody is,just finding you on like psychology today or through their insurance and they're coming in, they may be a little bit more skeptical. where we can get a little bit more leverage on people's willingness to do this is that somebody they already trust has already done it and has already experienced the benefits and they're passing that along.

And the reason they were willing to do it is because the person that they got our name from said, they're going to ask you to do some really [00:30:00] weird shit, do it anyway. And now it's just like this common piece of knowledge that cinnamon Erin are going to ask you to do some weird shit and do it because it really helps.

 Yeah, so much so that it's one of the biggest tools that you use when you go to critical incident debriefings, 

Erin: that you go in there and just start arting the crap out of the place. 

Cinnamon: I will art the crap out of the place. Yeah, It's a very easy tool, Like I don't have to carry anything with me necessarily. It doesn't require equipment necessarily. I mean, I can always use equipment, but as long as I have my arm attached, I'm quite able to do it. even if somebody has a concussion history, we have ways to modify, doing that. And they are getting instant relief. So to me it's like a no brainer.

Erin: Yeah. And this is not to discount any [00:31:00] other forms of therapeutic practices. There's so many things out there that work that are very efficient. people know about CBT and DBT and obviously we've already mentioned EMDR and there's tons of things out there. but this is something that we tend to lean on heavily for the simple fact that we have watched People have results in as little as one session.

Sometimes it takes, up to five. It just depends. Sometimes incidences are a little bit bigger. And just for the sake of the individual, we'll break it down in parts to make that a little bit easier for them. people have reported feelings of being extremely tired after it's complete, they can tell their brain was doing some work, like, I just needed to go take a nap.

And I often tell people, let's do some ART and be prepared that this might happen. so don't expect to go run a marathon after you do it. Right. 

Cinnamon: Whether it's they need to immediately go take a nap or sleep harder than they've slept [00:32:00] and more deeply and thorough than they have in a long time. I don't have people. Who maybe work second shift come in and do this before they have to go on shift. 

There are a couple of things that are, contraindicated. One would be, Hey, I'm going to go work a six P to six a, so let's not do ART at my three o'clock appointment. The other thing that we learned early on. And now it makes perfect sense is if there's any possibility that whatever event traumatized you, you may have to go into a courtroom and testify about.

Part of what happens is you keep the facts, we take the pain. unfortunately, the pain is what you get. People like to see to validate someone's experience. if you get up and start talking about a traumatic event without the emotional pain of it, it can not work in your favor.

 [00:33:00] the other thing that I like about it, And this is a conversational issue that I've learned, this was not part of our training, but I've watched it. So when we are two people having a conversation, there is conversational etiquette that we follow, if I'm telling you a story, my goal is to be linear and direct and to the point. If I go off on these tangents, then we're like squirrel, and we, get right back on track because that is what is the courteous thing to do for our listener. We don't want you to do that. This isn't for courteous conversation.

And our brains do it by default. So when we're having you visualize the events that happened, rather than telling us about them, you can honor the tangents that your brain take you on without feeling the need to pull it back to that main [00:34:00] path of the story. trust your brain.

If I tell you, to do something in the instructions and your brain does something else, do what your brain tells you to do, at the end of the day, your brain is the one in charge. I'm just giving suggestions or instructions and you are just following them. So if your brain takes you somewhere, go to that place. 

Erin: Yeah. 

Cinnamon: and you don't have to. revisit it over and over again, like prolonged exposure therapy, or you don't have to talk about it week after week in some of the cognitive behavioral therapy modalities. the one thing that I like about it is the cognitive restructuring that happens in cognitive behavioral therapy, and in EMDR.

We don't focus on that with ART. It just comes along as positive by product. So instead of thinking, I did a bad job and that was all my fault. And then we [00:35:00] identify, I did my best and. It happened the way that it happened and no fault needs to be assigned, right? let's say that's where we're trying to get to.

With ART, it happens organically rather than when I do CBT with people sometimes, like they get it, they understand it, they leave the session and then they come back and they're like, ah, Cinnamon, I knew what you said. I believed it. agree with it, but I still had this emotional response when this thing happened.

That is completely eliminated with ART. 

are not getting triggered to the point where that trauma is still overriding what you know. It allows it to go from the head to the heart. Whereas a lot of times the, I know the fact, but I feel this way. And art takes care of that.

Erin: one of the guests we've been working on getting on for probably like a year now, his name is Dr. Trevor. 

Cinnamon: Trevor. Trevor Wilkins. 

Erin: [00:36:00] What is the angry Viking. the Angry Viking.

Anyways, we've talked about it before on the show, but he is an EMDR master. I mean, he goes all around and talks a lot about it and has a lot of information on his Instagram hopefully soon we'll get him on the show to talk about his experience with EMDR as well. And, bilateral stimulation therapy in general. I imagine that he will be very articulate in the explanation of bilateral stimulation, which basically, it's just stimulating the left and right brain like a ping pong ball, back and forth and back and forth.

Cinnamon: now this might be urban legend, but I have reason to believe it's not, that Frances Shapiro, the creator of EMDR, realized that she felt better when she was thinking about a distressing event when she sat in a park and was watching a tennis game.

Erin: I never heard that story.

Cinnamon: Yeah, so she's just watching the tennis ball go back and forth and she's recognizing that she's feeling better.

So then she [00:37:00] started digging around to figure out what that could mean and supposedly EMDR was born.

Erin: It was birthed.  

Cinnamon: The urban legend of the clinical world. we'll have to check and verify that story, but I've heard that multiple times that it was Her own duress and doing something that was conjuring up eye movements. And she discovered it. 

Erin: And there you go.

Cinnamon: What else? Anything else? 

Erin: We're real excited about our new 12 week intensive coaching program based around post traumatic growth called the Copper Warrior Program that is currently launching. We are accepting applications and we will put that information in the show notes so that you can go ahead and apply for more information and we will get back to you as soon as we possibly can.
 
We have limited spots for this program because, well, obviously we still have our,clinical hours that we get to be responsible for, but we are opening up very special spots for the [00:38:00] Copper Warrior program and we would love to invite you to apply for that. And one of the biggest reasons is why, Cinnamon? 

Cinnamon: we are finally able to accept applications from people all over the country to work with us. That has been one of the, biggest barriers, to feeling like we could do all that was possible.

when I traveled this past year, that was a question that continuously came up. Like, can we work with you and Erin? And of course, as clinicians with licensures, like. No, we are in a, certain area and that's how that works. But because Erin is also an ICF trained coach and I have a background in coaching as well, we have been able to change the therapeutic.

Modalities that we've typically used and evolved into more of that post traumatic growth [00:39:00] coaching where we're taking a look at how do we keep you healthy? How do we teach you to understand what your body and your mind need to stay on this path of wellness, as well as continuously building your own resiliency.

So we get to work with anybody, all of you, anyone across the country or the globe for that matter. that is what makes it so exciting for us. finally get to work with everyone. 

Obviously, Erin, you have been doing telehealth since we started. So, and I do telehealth as needed depending on, where my clients are.

 So, this is really just. using some of the tools that we've already had, where we can work with people all over the country, because you don't need to do an in person appointment for this, because you're going to be guided through the whole process. 

Erin: Yeah, we got [00:40:00] workbooks, we got videos, we got podcast episodes, we got special surprises, which we won't tell you about, little treats and exciting things.

Well, the funny thing is my, first Copper Warrior client is in person. 

Cinnamon: That is kind of flukish. 

Erin: It is flukish. Like what are the odds that? he happens to be in the same city as me for once. So that's pretty cool. I'm excited about that. 

anyway, so now, you know. also big news. swag shop now open.

So get yourself, a mug and a hat and a t shirt and we're gonna be adding things as we go I want a sticker for your car if you want to represent 

Cinnamon: Right.

We've been coming up for funny, quirky things to put on swag for a while. So it really is going through that master list of,clever things that we've said,that we're like, [00:41:00] that should go on a shirt.

Erin: Yeah, so we are working on that, too But baby steps, because it's a lot. Everything is a learning curve. if you know us and you've been listening to us, we figure out how to do everything on our own. Ha ha ha ha. 

Cinnamon: Yeah

Erin: bang our heads.

Cinnamon: Yeah. We really like the two person, to life. We got it. We'll figure it out.

I can watch a YouTube video or let's just search that up on Google.

We'll search it up. 

Erin: So, Copper Warrior. And after the tones drop, swag shop are our new and exciting things. And as always, we do still have our hotline. So if you have a question or a concern, or just want to chat with us, want to bring something up that maybe your brothers or sisters could grow and learn from, Please go to our website afterthetonesdrop.com and click the hotline voicemail tab and leave us a message. We did recently get a message from a friend in Australia, so [00:42:00] we'll be featuring his voicemail really soon. And I think many of you will relate to what he is sharing with us. So we're excited. And he even said, we don't have to disguise his voice.

He is. not embarrassed. So that'll probably be coming out here in the next couple of weeks. We have,some real great guests coming up as usual. And we hope that you guys have been appreciating the things and the folks that we've had join us. Cause we've been having a lot of fun 

Cinnamon: I love our guests. Like, we become friends with our guests. And right now we're planning game night over Zoom,with a few of our guests. And it,has definitely broadened our world to be able to hang out with such amazing people, 

Erin: Yes, for sure. So we will see you next week. We hope you have a beautiful day.